2038 Without our help, you really can't build an aircraft carrier
"That's it, the biggest question is, once we really work together, how much more can we get in the end?"
Li Qingming didn't think this was a good thing.
He looked at Xie Kai seriously, "At least, it is inappropriate to hand over the Varyag to their factory for modification. Although this aircraft carrier has become unimportant to us, it has been obtained at a very high price."
"This is indeed not suitable for new cooperation. It is no problem to help them expand the Red Star Shipyard, and there is no problem to cooperate in developing amphibious assault ships. It is the only aircraft carrier. Our supporting units need more orders to develop. We can wait, what about the supporting units?"
Qi Zhiyuan also put forward his own views.
He supports his cooperation with Damao.
Cooperation cannot harm one's own interests.
When Xie Kai looked at Yue Lin, Yue Lin also looked at him.
Both of them saw a smile in each other's eyes.
"Aircraft carriers are indeed not suitable, and they have to pay for them." Xie Kai did not explain too much.
At least, Li Qingming and Gu Baonong are not only concerned about the interests of Hudong Shipyard.
There is currently no plan for amphibious assault ships in China, but that is the equipment that any navy needs.
Technology is not even much easier than manufacturing an aircraft carrier.
Since Xie Kai is unwilling to interfere with the development of 404, of course he hopes that managers can change their previous ideas, not to be self-satisfied.
Inside the hotel of the Damao delegation.
Several main leaders of the delegation sat together again after Nikolai Mipodorov and Zheng Ming and others contacted each other again.
"Everyone, after communicating with them, it is very difficult to include the Varyag in the Red Star Shipyard project and may even affect the cooperation between the two parties. They put forward a compromise opinion, and we will pay to buy the Varyag, and they will provide the power system and electronic system we need..."
Nikolai Mipodorov conveyed Zheng Ming's words to several people.
That's what Xie Kai means.
Cooperation is possible, and there is no problem in helping expand the shipyard, basic construction, port machinery and equipment supply, etc.
The only one is that the Varyag must be modified in China.
"How is that possible! Originally, that aircraft carrier should belong to us! Let's spend money to buy back the aircraft carrier that should belong to us!" A general was furious.
The other party is too shameless.
"Victor, because the government had no funds and could not pay the funds that should be given to Ukraine, it was handed over to them for processing... The Ukrainian government also had no money and gave the aircraft carrier to the Black Sea shipyard for processing. The Chinese bought the shell of the aircraft carrier through open bidding." Nikolai Mipodorov's face was full of worries.
Who would have thought that this would be the problem before?
"Don't forget that the Kuznetsov still has big problems. Western countries are not willing to provide us with technical equipment. And all we can get is China, unless we have enough funds to re-establish the entire aircraft carrier manufacturing system..." Alexander Yurdashev looked serious.
Their choices are too few.
Western countries have technology, but they are not unable to get it, but the price they need to pay is too high.
China's technology is a little behind the West, but it is the best choice.
Before, China could not even manufacture 10,000-ton warships.
The development has been rapid over the years.
If the Damao Navy wants to revive, it is impossible to buy it just by buying it.
The San family has always relied on buying, but that cannot solve any problem.
The most obvious example is that the Vikrant aircraft carrier capsizes into a submarine when it is launched.
If you have the ability to build yourself, you can make as much as you want.
Make it whenever you want.
You won't be stuck.
Not to mention that they would raise prices just like their plans for A San, and they would not accept it, and there was no way for the other party to do so.
How can the once powerful empire be content to such a level now because of the fall of the Soviet Union?
There is nothing I can do if I don’t want to.
"What do you think about Damao? Don't you know?" Zheng Ming looked at Xie Kai in front of him, "We don't have the ability to build a 1,200-ton gantry crane now."
"Who said that? Zhenhua said that as long as there is an order, they can manufacture it. After the renovation of the Varyag is completed, the Hudong Shipyard will replace the 1,200-ton gantry crane..." Xie Kaicai didn't believe that Zheng Ming didn't know about this.
Zhenhua Heavy Industry is also a subordinate of 404.
A lot of money has been invested in over the years, and the development has been much faster than that of Xie Kai's world.
Currently, the largest gantry crane is 900 tons. Most of the domestic large-scale port machinery business have been taken over by Zhenhua Heavy Industry, which has grown wildly like a chicken blood injection.
Zheng Ming looked at Xie Kai's expression and rolled his eyes.
"It's not a good thing to reveal all the cards. It's very unfavorable for future development..." Zheng Ming reminded Xie Kai.
Xie Kai directly rolled his eyes, "This is our competitiveness in the international market. The stronger the things we can make, the greater the possibility that we can get orders. Are the British now also preparing to order large gantry cranes with Zhenhua Heavy Industry?"
Zheng Ming sighed.
There was a deep loss on his face.
"I said to the leader, don't hide our good things all day long. This is not a military product. We should make our own contribution to the rapid progress of world science and technology. When we can't make it, 900 tons of gantry cranes and takeouts exceed 45 million US dollars. If we make it, the international price will be less than 27 million US dollars... This is to save money for the whole world."
A 900-ton gantry crane is an indispensable equipment for super-large shipyards.
Even many large ports have considerable demand.
"Indeed, as long as we have it, the price will be reduced." Zheng Ming was helpless.
It’s not that the country does not want to sell high prices, but that once developed in China, international competitors will lower prices in order to grab orders.
A few years ago, domestic export companies lost many orders due to such means.
Even if the same product has the same performance, even if foreign companies are more expensive for millions or tens of millions of dollars, international customers will have a higher probability of choosing international suppliers.
There is no other reason, and China does not have many successful examples.
Without successful examples, it is impossible to prove that the products developed in China are of good quality and cost-effective.
"Tell me a solid foundation. What did you think of this cooperation? Some technologies are really not suitable for selling. That is all about national defense..."
"You are talking about phased array radar? This thing really has to be sold. Without this, it would be difficult to transform the Varyag as we wish. People with big Mao actually prefer the original Varyag." Xie Kaike refused, "It's just a simple match. In fact, when the Super-7 was sold back then, the technical level of the active phased array was already known to everyone in the world..."
"Don't sell the most advanced technology for money."
"That won't be that even if we want to sell, we have to be able to afford it. They are poor!" Xie Kai sighed again.
He had to consider how much money the Damao Navy had.
Moreover, we have to analyze how much funds Damao is willing to provide on this.
"Their main purpose is to regain aircraft carrier construction capabilities. It does not necessarily build aircraft carriers, but large surface ships..." Zheng Ming reminded Xie Kai.
Xie Kai had a clear idea in his heart.
Xie Kai didn't know what cooperation Zheng Ming and others had discussed with Nikola and his group before.
Now, he knew.
The same as what he analyzed.
After both parties believed that they had analyzed the other party's intentions and knew the other party's bottom line, the negotiations began again.
This time, from the beginning, both sides were extremely strong.
Xie Kai let Li Qingming and Gu Baonong argue with each other, but he and Qi Zhiyuan didn't say anything, just watched the fun.
Nicholas stared at Xie Kai from the beginning.
If Xie Kai doesn't take action, he will naturally not draw his sword.
"The Varyag is ours. We spend more than 100 million US dollars from purchase to tug fees, insurance, port mooring and other costs. If we insist on renovating this aircraft carrier at the Red Star Shipyard, we have no objection. 120 million US dollars will be sold to you!" Seeing that the other party did not let go, Li Qingmin took a step back.
"What we need to buy is an aircraft carrier that is built and can be tested in sea. It is the most suitable at Red Star Shipyard. In that way, our engineering and technical personnel don't need such trouble..." Victor Grishkin was not happy at first and they had to pay for the aircraft carrier that originally belonged to them.
The government had no money back then!
Moreover, Ukraine cannot continue to build this aircraft carrier, otherwise, how could this be the case?
"If you can't, then you won't cooperate! I believe that many countries want to obtain our technology!"
Seeing that the other party was indifferent, Victor Grishkin added.
"It is true that many people want to obtain it! There are many countries in this world that have the ability to build aircraft carriers. Even Johnniu is preparing to rebuild a large aircraft carrier, and the Charles de Gaulle has only been in service for a few years... But are the French willing to give you the best technology?"
Gu Baonong had no scruples when he spoke.
I was originally dissatisfied with the other party's desire to steal the Varyag.
What he hopes is that the Varyag will be renovated and used for the Navy.
"These are two projects. Hongxing Shipyard can provide 1,200 tons and 900 tons of large gantry cranes, and can also provide other equipment, which is about one-third cheaper than in the international market..." Gu Baonong felt that this would not be too much of arousing the construction capacity of large warships. "If it weren't for us, would it be possible for you to regain the construction capacity of large warships?"
As soon as these words came out, the whole scene suddenly became quiet.
Especially Xie Kai, he was extremely shocked.
This was said almost twenty years ago, Americans said in front of them.
At that time, Americans said that without their help, 404 could not do anything.
Who gave Gu Baonong such confidence?
Why does it sound so pleasant?
Especially the big hairies on the opposite side, their faces look extremely beautiful.
"I really think we would not be able to regain the aircraft carrier construction capability without you?" Even Nikolai Mipodorov's face turned ugly, and he stared at Gu Baonong with murderous eyes.
Xie Kai laughed: "General, it seems that this is indeed the case at the moment."
Chapter completed!