Chapter 2448

If the representatives of the Manchu and Ming Dynasties were allowed to quarrel like this, they might not be able to reach a conclusion in three to five months. After all, the hatred between the two countries has lasted for several generations, and it cannot be solved with just a few words.

As the organizer of this multi-country talks, Haihan naturally has to assume the responsibility of controlling the negotiation process and cannot sit back and let the representatives of the two countries steer the talks in a wrong direction.

Tao Donglai spoke up in time to stop the dispute between the two men: "Since you two are willing to come to Jinzhou as a reward, you must hope to gain benefits for your country from the talks, but quarreling cannot solve the problem. We might as well discuss our respective issues first."

We need to work out the conditions to see which parts can be agreed upon while reserving differences. Now that we have come, resolving differences through consultation is the purpose of our talks."

Jin Sangxian observed the words and expressions, and immediately responded with great approval: "I wonder what Mr. Tao thinks about this?"

Tao Donglai said: "Our country's goal is to enable all countries present to achieve peaceful coexistence. Judging from the regional situation in recent years, it is actually very simple to achieve this. As long as the Qing Dynasty is willing to completely stop the war, then all countries will

Then we can all have peace."

Tao Donglai directly pointed at the Manchu and Qing Dynasties, but this was something that Shang Kexi expected. After all, among the four countries present, Haihan, Ming, and North Korea had all concluded alliances and could be regarded as partners in the same camp, while the Manchu and Qing Dynasties were

If the Manchus and the Qing Dynasty, the common opponents of these three countries, do not cease war, it is indeed unlikely that peace will be achieved.

Shang Kexi looked at the representatives of the other two countries, and as expected, they all nodded slightly, thinking that Tao Donglai's words were reasonable. But he would not be swayed by the attitudes of these three countries, and he did not relax at the moment: "Master Tao, my country

The reason why we are willing to cease war and negotiate peace with your country is because our two countries have no grudges in the first place, let alone any disputes in interests. It will not be beneficial to each other if we continue to fight. But the situation of the other two countries is different. If

If we don’t resolve the original disputes first, how can we talk about reconciliation?”

Shang Ke paused happily and then said: "It's okay to cease the war, but North Korea and the Ming Dynasty must cede territory and pay compensation to make up for our country's combat losses over the years!"

"Certain territory and pay compensation? You really think too much." Now that Kim Sang-hyun has Haihan's support, he can speak with full confidence: "Master Shang, today is different from the past. I, Korea, have long been no longer the object of your demands. So soon.

Have you forgotten the losses you suffered in the past two years? If your country is not convinced, try crossing the Yalu River again!"

Tao Donglai and others laughed secretly when they heard this, thinking that this old North Korean man was very good at taking advantage of the situation to trample on people, as if it was North Korea's own contribution to repelling the Qing army. If Haihan hadn't sent troops to rescue in time, North Korea would have been

Even if the country was not destroyed, it would have been completely reduced to a vassal state of the Manchu Qing Dynasty as it was in history.

The Manchu and Qing Dynasties indeed suffered heavy losses in that war. Two years later, the Manchu and Qing Dynasties have not carried out any large-scale military operations against North Korea. Instead, they have concentrated their forces on the Ming side. After all, North Korea already has maritime borders.

If the Han garrison were to attack North Korea, they would have to bear great risks. However, the Ming Dynasty had never let the Han army assist in the war, so it was obviously much easier and more pleasant to deal with it. As long as the Manchus and Qing Dynasties were not dizzy, they would definitely not send troops to attack again now.

North Korea.

Of course, Huang Taiji probably never imagined that his restraint would turn into a rampant capital for the North Koreans, and he would even use it to humiliate his subordinates who photographed Jinzhou participating in the peace talks.

Shang Kexi naturally didn't have a good look when he heard Jin Shangxian's words, and responded in a deep voice: "Master Jin has such a loud tone, aren't you afraid of bringing trouble to your country? As far as I know, your country owes you money for the war two years ago.

More than half of the war debt we incurred has not yet been repaid. If there is another war, will your country really be able to survive it?"

These words also directly hit the sore point of North Korea. Just as Kim Sang-hyun was about to refute, Tao Donglai had already rushed in and said: "You two don't have to argue. Don't forget the real purpose of our meeting here today. Please remember that peace is the key to peace."

It’s so expensive!”

The negotiations had just begun, and Tao Donglai already had a headache. The feud between the Manchu and the Qing Dynasty and the other two countries was too deep, and the hatred was not easy to resolve. As long as they met, they would continue to argue. No wonder the Manchu and the Qing Dynasty were firmly opposed to it.

Ming Dynasty and North Korea were brought in. With representatives of these two countries present, the atmosphere started to get heated after just a few words, and then the topic quickly deviated from the direction. If the conversation continued like this, the progress of the entire meeting would indeed be slowed down a lot.

But without the participation of the Ming Dynasty and North Korea, the peace talks with the Manchu Qing Dynasty would not have much practical significance, because only by achieving regional peace can Haihan effectively reduce the various resources invested in the north in preparation for war and transfer elites to the north.

Troops were mobilized to other areas to expand their territory. So even though it was troublesome, Tao Donglai still had to find a way to bring the current situation back to a normal rhythm.

The entire morning's negotiation was almost spent in constant disputes between the other three parties. Although Tao Donglai tried to bring the topic back again and again, the effect was not ideal. The representatives of the other three parties kept talking at each other.

It is used as a place to compete with others in eloquence.

The Ming Dynasty and North Korea did not share the same hatred against the Manchu and Qing Dynasties. Ever since North Korea changed its stance and took refuge in Haihan, the two countries had turned against each other. Although they were allies on the surface, when North Korea was invaded by the Manchu Qing Dynasty, the Ming Dynasty was no longer like before.

When the Ming Dynasty encountered the same troubles, North Korea did not even express a symbolic condolence. This time they met in Jinzhou and did not give each other any face, and all kinds of ridicules were directed at each other.

"Kim Sang-hyun really wants to prove himself!" Back in the lounge, Qian Tiandun said with emotion: "He was so motivated today. He would fight against anyone he caught. Who would have thought that he actually represents the weakest country?"

Woolen cloth?"

"He is not trying to prove himself, he is trying to show us North Korea's position and win our trust." Tao Donglai saw it more clearly: "His every word and deed is to show that North Korea has left no trace behind."

The way back.”

Tom Wang responded: "You mean, he is deliberately trying to completely fall out with the other two countries?"

Tao Donglai nodded and said: "Kim Sangxian actually understands very clearly that North Korea is unable to protect itself and can only rely on us to provide shelter. But if a peace agreement is reached, then we will definitely not maintain such a large-scale military garrison in the north.

This is a potential risk for North Korea. But he also knows that the armistice is our country's wish and cannot stop it, but can only assist. So before that, he must ensure that the relationship between North Korea and our country is stable enough. Otherwise, the Manchu and Qing Dynasties will tear it apart in the future.

With the armistice agreement, North Korea may be the first to be unlucky."

"But the three families were quarreling so much that they couldn't talk for more than a few words before getting off topic. We have to find a way to control the situation." Qian Tiandun said: "At least we can't let them speak together, otherwise there will be no way to continue the discussion."

Tao Donglai nodded and said, "You're right. We can't let them continue to argue during the afternoon meeting. We have to set the rules first."

The representatives of the four countries all had their own thoughts, so naturally they did not eat lunch together. They all settled in their respective lounges. After a two-hour lunch break, the talks resumed.

At the beginning of the afternoon talks, Tao Donglai set a new rule. Each mission would speak in turn. During their own speaking time, other missions were not allowed to interrupt, so as not to waste everyone's time. Kim Sang-hyun was naturally

They immediately agreed. Although Shang Kexi and Yang Sichang didn't want to be manipulated by the Haihan people, the problem Tao Donglai said did exist. They came all the way here for the meeting, and they didn't just come here just to quarrel. Everyone had the same problem.

If you can't complete a task, it will be difficult to explain it to your boss after you return.

Tao Dong came to see the other three parties and all agreed with his proposal, so he made a speech on behalf of Haihan first and proposed a plan to achieve reconciliation between the countries.

Haihan's plan is mainly divided into three parts, divided into three directions: Jinzhou, North Korea and Ming Dynasty. The content is actually very simple. It is to reach a peace agreement between the Manchu and Qing Dynasties and the three countries to stop all hostile military actions on the border. And these three countries

There is already an alliance, so there is no need to conclude a new agreement. However, Tao Donglai specifically emphasized that the prerequisite for reaching an agreement is comprehensive peace. If the Manchus and any country fail to reconcile, then Haihan will not

will recognize the validity of the peace agreement.

"I emphasize once again that only a peace agreement signed by the four countries will be considered valid and implemented by our country." Tao Donglai repeated the key points before ending his speech.

Shang Kexi secretly calculated the conditions offered by Tao Donglai. For North Korea and Ming Dynasty, Haihan only asked for the signing of a formal peace agreement without any additional conditions, but for Jinzhou, he asked the Qing army to withdraw from Jinzhou.

A hundred miles north of the isthmus defense line, neither side is allowed to station an organized army within this hundred miles, which serves as a buffer zone between the two countries. On this basis, the two countries can then discuss the opening of commercial exchanges and other content, so as to realize it as soon as possible

normalization of relations between the two countries.

As far as Haihan is concerned, the conditions stated by Tao Donglai are much more subtle than those proposed by Chen Yixin. If he also insists on letting the Manchus cede the entire Liaodong Peninsula, then Shang Xiang will not be able to proceed further.

We talked. If we just give up a hundred-mile-wide buffer zone, it means retreating to the Fuzhou Guard-Erlong Mountain line in the north. With such a small distance, Shang Kexi can make up his mind and agree without even reporting it. And Tao Dong

In the future, trade between the two countries can be opened. This is considered a very sincere condition in Shang Kexi's view. If trade with Haihan can be realized, it may be of greater significance to the Manchu Qing Dynasty than the armistice itself.

But Haihan insisted that the four countries sign a peace agreement together, which frustrated the Manchu and Qing Dynasty's original plan to exclude Ming and North Korea from the agreement. Shang Kexi was not in a hurry to express his position, and planned to listen to the opinions of the other two countries before making a judgement.

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After Tao Donglai finished speaking, he signaled Yang Sichang to continue speaking. Yang Sichang put down the tea cup in his hand unhurriedly, stood up and began to state the Ming Dynasty's peace talks conditions.

Yang Sichang said that there was no war between the Ming Dynasty and North Korea and Haihan, so the key lies with the Manchu and Qing Dynasties. The Ming Dynasty required the Manchu and Qing Dynasties to return the Liaodong capital area that was originally directly controlled by the imperial court, including Guangning Wei, Gaizhou Wei, and Fuzhou

Wei and other places, but he wisely did not also mention the Jinzhou Wei currently controlled by Haihan.

After returning these areas to the Ming Dynasty, the Ming Dynasty could consider formally recognizing the Qing Dynasty, signing a peace agreement with the Qing Dynasty on the basis of country-to-country relations, and establishing diplomatic relations. As for the wealth and population robbed by the Qing Dynasty in these years, Yang Sichang

I probably knew that it was impossible to come back, and I didn’t waste any time asking for it.

From a moral point of view, the conditions proposed by Yang Sichang are not excessive. It can even be said that the Ming Dynasty suffered a big loss by giving up the Nuergandu jurisdiction that was actually controlled by the Manchu Qing Dynasty. This is equivalent to a disguised recognition of the Manchu Qing's presence in the Northeast region.

However, the land area he asked for from the Manchu Qing Dynasty was larger than the land area for which Chen Yixin deliberately offered a sky-high price, and even included Shenyang City, which had been designated as the capital by the Manchu Qing Dynasty. This was obviously unlikely to be realized.

Already.

Tao Donglai shook his head slightly when he heard this, thinking that the Ming Dynasty could not take any advantage on the battlefield, so how could it possibly negotiate back these areas that were occupied by its opponents by force. Shang Kexi, on the other hand, did not have much expression, and seemed not to have any advantage at all.

He didn't listen to Yang Sichang's words.

The conditions offered by Yang Sichang seemed to Shang Kexi to be wishful thinking. These areas were mostly things that the Qing Dynasty had already swallowed and digested. How could they be handed back to the Ming Dynasty, let alone the capital of the Qing Dynasty, Shang Kexi

I feel that this Yang Shangshu simply did not carefully examine the situation and strength comparison between the two countries before he stated such unrealistic conditions.

After Yang Sichang finished speaking, it was Shang Kexi's turn. The conditions he proposed on behalf of the Manchu Qing Dynasty were also very clear. First, North Korea needed to cede Yizhou on the east bank of the Yalu River to the Manchu Qing Dynasty and compensate the Manchu Qing Dynasty with two million taels of silver.

Hearing the compensation for the soldiers killed and wounded in North Korea, Kim Sang-hyun rolled his eyes repeatedly. If it were not restricted by rules, he would have long ago scolded Shang Kexi for being wishful thinking.

As for the Ming Dynasty, Shang Kexi's demands were in direct opposition to Yang Sichang. He demanded that the Ming Dynasty cede Ningyuan Guard and Shanhai Guard west of Guangning Guard to the Qing Dynasty, and open the border to allow trade. In addition, he also demanded another two million yuan in compensation.

Two pieces of silver were given to the Manchus as war compensation.

As for Haihan, Shang Kexi asked Haihan to stop plundering Manchu people and ships in the Liaodong Peninsula. It seems that the Manchus had suffered enough from Haihan's raids and wars in the past few years, and they were already overwhelmed.

I want to get rid of this trouble once and for all through this peace talk. However, Shang Kexi did not ask Haihan for war compensation or demands from various places. Thinking about it, it is in vain to make such demands. The Haihan people will not agree at all, just like

It was impossible for the Manchu Qing Dynasty to agree to the same bullshit conditions proposed by the Ming Dynasty.
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