Chapter 469: War of words

Hao Wanqing shook his head and said, "We won't bear the blame. He was born and has nothing to do with us."

The Li Qingyang that Tao Donglai saw was a young man with fair complexion and a slightly fat body. He did not look like someone who had been traveling all year round. He was different from the prisoners Tao Donglai had interrogated in the past. This one was named Li Qingyang.

The Jin Yiwei didn't have any panic or uneasiness, and even his eyes seemed relaxed.

Tao Donglai turned his head and asked, "When you first interrogated him, how did he react?"

Hao Wanqing responded: "It's basically the same as now. We were a little surprised at first. Later, thinking about it, this reaction was probably one of their Jinyiwei's anti-interrogation techniques. After all, they are trained professionals, unlike those caught before.

The thieves are not on the same level."

"It makes sense!" Tao Donglai agreed with Hao Wanqing's statement: "Looking at how calm he is, he must have received special training. This skill should be what we are lacking now."

In the interrogation room, Yan Chujie had already started questioning Li Qingyang: "Li Qingyang, I have read your interrogation record. There are still many unknown and untrue things about your Jinyiwei Yamen. If you honestly explain the issues, we can do it."

Give you a way out."

Li Qingyang shook his head and said: "This dear friend..."

"My surname is Yan, the color is Yan." Yan Chujie saw that the other party had the intention to speak, so he took the initiative to introduce himself: "If you want to get out of the current predicament, then please cherish this opportunity to talk, because it is very important.

It may determine your fate. If you still come to me with the same attitude as before, then we will probably have to give up on you."

The light in Li Qingyang's eyes flashed, and he soon returned to his normal demeanor and replied: "It seems that Brother Yan holds an important position in Haihan? Could it be that he is one of the nine elders of the legendary Haihan Executive Committee?"

"I am a member of the executive committee. We don't use the title elder. As you can see, my age has nothing to do with elder." Yan Chujie immediately corrected his statement.

Tao Donglai, who was in the observation room next door, snorted softly and said, "It seems that Jin Yiwei also conducted some targeted investigations on us beforehand."

Hao Wanqing responded softly: "But the information they learned is relatively superficial. Like the social system we have built, how can people understand how it operates if they are not in it? If Jin Yiwei can find out everything,

There is no need to send spies to Sanya to carry out hidden missions."

"So Brother Yan can decide my life or death with just one word?" Li Qingyang in the interrogation room continued to ask.

"Strictly speaking, it is not decided by me alone, but if you want to understand it this way, it makes sense." Yan Chujie nodded and said, "As long as you can prove to me that you are worthy of our preferential treatment, then I can get rid of you.

Current prisoner status."

"It sounds good, but what can I do to prove my worth? Tell you everything about the yamen?" Before Yan Chujie could respond, Li Qingyang shook his head and said, "What if I just said everything at once?"

, I have truly become a worthless person, and I’m afraid I will die faster by then.”

There is no doubt that Li Qingyang is not an idiot and will not be easily tempted by such simple tricks. Of course, Yan Chujie does not expect to make this stubborn guy change his mind with just two words. If it is so easy to handle

There is no need for him, the executive committee member, to take action personally.

Yan Chujie followed his words and said: "If you don't want to die, that's easy. There is a way for you to live well. You are a smart person and should be able to think of what I mean."

Li Qingyang was silent for a long time before he asked tentatively: "Do you want me to work for you?"

"Is there anything wrong?" Yan Chujie said, "You work for the imperial court for the sake of world stability, and you work for us for the same purpose."

"That's inappropriate!" Li Qingyang shook his head and said, "You privately manufacture weapons, organize armies, set up private banks, collude with local officials to annex fertile farmland, any of these things violates the laws of the Ming Dynasty, why do you say that?

For the sake of peace in the world?"

"Li Qingyang, your view is too one-sided." Yan Chujie immediately retorted: "In the past two years, there have been pirates and bandits in Guangdong, but the government cannot control them. They are allowed to coerce good people and harm the place. In the end, we dispatched our own militia to fight them away.

We borne them all by ourselves, and we didn’t ask the government for a penny of hard work before or after. If the Ming Dynasty army couldn’t get the departure fee, it wouldn’t be dispatched at all. Guangdong suffered a natural disaster and refugees were everywhere.

No one asked about it. We bought a large amount of food at our own expense and sent it to Guangdong for disaster relief. We recruited those refugees who had lost their families and had no one to rely on to come to Sanya and gave them a job with a stable income. We took the initiative to do it for the government.

Are these things conducive to the stability of the world? "

"It's just about providing disaster relief and rescuing refugees. So what if we set up banks and the army privately?" Li Qingyang was not convinced, but tried to continue the debate with Yan Chujie.

However, Yan Chujie is a well-known advocate among the Haihan leadership, and his rhetoric skills are far superior to Li Qingyang's. Naturally, he will not be stumped by his rebuttal. Hearing this, he just smiled slightly and said: "Without an army, how can we maintain success?"

Thousands of refugees? Thousands of refugees without food gather together. What do you think will happen to these people in order to survive? Without banks, how can the money spent on disaster relief be effectively distributed?

?Should it be handed over to the local government? I'm afraid that by then the disaster relief funds that the refugees will be able to enjoy will no longer be saved. Li Qingyang, you are also a person from the yamen. You should know more about this issue than me.

Is that much?"

Li Qingyang really didn't have much capital to refute this issue, because what Yan Chujie said was indeed the truth. Even if the Haihan people were willing to follow the official rules and hand over money and food to the Guangdong government, it would be difficult to calm the two countries.

The region has suffered from natural and man-made disasters one after another in the past two years.

Li Qingyang is in the special organization Jinyiwei and has access to far better information than ordinary people. He knows very well that a large part of the reason for Guangdong's ineffective disaster relief in the past two years is the improper handling of the local government, which has resulted in a large number of victims being imprisoned just for food.

The network of various rogue bandit forces was at its worst. At its worst, the garrison in Guangzhou city did not even dare to go to Panyu County, which was only forty miles away from the city, to resolve the bandit rebellion. Their morale and combat effectiveness were so low that it was simply astonishing.

The internal report that Li Qingyang had seen before also mentioned the battle process of the Haihan militia against the rogue bandits in Lijiazhuang, saying that "the sound of cannons was like thunder, and the bullets were like rain. Although the number of rogue bandits was ten times that of Haihan, under the fierce attack

But they could not advance even an inch. At that time, the corpses of bandits outside the village were piled up like mountains, and the bandit leader Liao Dabi and others were killed in front of the battle. The people all said that if the Haihan militia exceeded a hundred, they would be invincible! "

Although Li Qingyang thought the description in this report was too exaggerated at the time, it was only after he saw the Haihan gunboats at Wanshan Port at the Pearl River Estuary that he realized that there was really a force that could not be ignored in the south of the Ming Empire.

New forces.

Compared with ordinary wealthy businessmen, this group of people is obviously more organized and dangerous. As the chief intelligence agency of the Ming Dynasty, naturally it will not let go of a comprehensive investigation of such potentially dangerous objects. However, Li Qingyang is aware of the danger.

It was already too late, and the five of them had almost no chance to resist, so they were sent to an isolated island overseas by the Haihan people to catch turtles in a jar.

There is no doubt that the reasons Yan Chujie just mentioned cannot completely conceal Haihan's military ambitions. Li Qingyang understands this, and Yan Chujie himself is also aware of this. In the final analysis, these explanations he gave are just to arm Haihan.

The existence of Jinyiwei is covered with a legal cloak. It doesn't matter if Jinyiwei doesn't admit it, as long as the local government recognizes it. As for Jinyiwei's intervention, Haihan's current response is to try to refuse it - to isolate Jinyiwei's tentacles from the world controlled by Haihan.

outside the social system.

If Li Qingyang regarded this latent operation as an ordinary operation when he set out, when he was captured by the Haihan Militia, he knew that these people were not ordinary landlord bullies. They knew what they were doing.

, and knowing the true identities of Li Qingyang and others, it can be seen that they are indeed very wary of the Jin Yiwei brand, but they are not afraid of dealing with Jin Yiwei. Li Qingyang can feel that they are very confident when dealing with these people.

, and this confidence probably comes from their strong economic and military strength.

Yan Chujie did not urge Li Qingyang to answer at this time, but looked at him quietly, preparing the next lines.

After a long time, Li Qingyang said: "If you are willing to let the five of us go, then there are some things that cannot be discussed."

For Li Qingyang, this was almost the bottom line of concession. For him to betray his profession and allegiance, he really couldn't do it for a while.

Yan Chujie shook his head expressionlessly and said, "This is impossible."

"No need to discuss?" Li Qingyang asked unwillingly.

"It's not a question of whether it can be discussed or not. It's because three of the five of you have already died. You don't have to look at me like this. We didn't torture them. One of the three died in a private fight in prison.

The other two died of acclimatization." Yan Chujie explained: "For us, you are more useful alive than dead, at least at this stage."

This team of Jin Yiwei spies were detained separately after being arrested, so Li Qingyang had no idea what the other four people were doing. After listening to Yan Chujie's explanation, Li Qingyang's face quickly returned to calm: "If I and the rest of the people are doing

This person has been refusing to submit, so there is no point in keeping our lives?"

"You can understand it this way." Yan Chujie said calmly: "Of course we will not execute you, you will be sent to overseas mines, and you will spend the rest of your life with black coal. As for you in

It will probably take some time for the superiors and colleagues in Nanjing to realize something is wrong and then send the next group of people to join the trap."

"You won't be so lucky to catch our people every time." Li Qingyang argued unconvinced. The fall of their team was indeed cowardly. They were completely fooled by their opponents. If the boss knew what happened

I'd probably have to tear them apart alive.

"But we will definitely find people in the Jinyiwei who are willing to play for us, just like we can use money to buy the news that your team is going south." Yan Chujie hit Li Qingyang unceremoniously: "After all, there will be people who want to survive.

And those who choose to change, not to mention that this choice is not necessarily a bad thing for you people. Do you know how many court officials are working for us now? From the state officials to the local inspection department, civil servants

There are magistrates, general magistrates, tongzhi, military attachés, and people at the level of generals and generals. To be honest, even if you are allowed in, if some treacherous things are really found in Sanya, the imperial court will issue a document to inquire with the local officials. In these places

The officials will still stand on our side and use memorials to block the dirty water poured over by your royal guards."

Yan Chujie got excited and continued: "Ten thousand steps back, even if the emperor believed your report and felt that we must eradicate the existence of Haihan, do you think the Ming Dynasty can afford to fight this battle? In the Guangdong and Guangxi regions,

In the army, how many generals don’t know the power of our Haihan Militia? Even if there is an order, they will use various excuses to avoid a direct war with us. Although everyone talks about being loyal to the emperor and serving the country, but

Knowing that there is no hope of winning the war, how many people would be willing to fight to the death?"

"But your armed forces are entrenched in Qiongzhou. For the imperial court, they are always a hidden danger in the south!" Li Qingyang knew that he might not be able to argue with this eloquent executive committee member Haihan, but he still gritted his teeth and refused to let go.

"No, no, no, you are wrong. The real hidden danger to the Ming Dynasty is not us, but the group of wild boar skins outside the Northern Pass. They are actually at war with the Ming Dynasty, and judging from the results of the war in recent years, the situation of the Ming Dynasty is getting worse and worse.

The harder it gets." Yan Chujie consciously wanted to make this topic clear: "The wild boar skins outside the Pass cannot coexist peacefully with the Ming Dynasty. They must rely on plundering the Ming Dynasty's resources to achieve development. But we Haihan are different.

In the areas we control, people live and work in peace and contentment without worrying about their livelihood or safety. We purchase a large amount of materials from the Ming Dynasty every year and have always supported the authority of the court. We have not denied that these areas under our control still belong to the Ming Dynasty.

territory, but our approach is not to rely on robbery, but to let everyone work together to build a stable and strong development environment."
Chapter completed!