Poster, [191919] posted on 2006-10-1723:01:22 | Delete the main post | Delete the top

After listening to Suibo's recommendation, I finished watching it in one go. It feels pretty good, although the heroine is not too smart. I have discussed whether the heroine should choose Liu Che before, but the result seems to be mostly supported. I have some opinions on this.

Most of the people who read or write historical fiction novels have some imperial complex. If they are male protagonists, then most of them are to win the magic weapon and win the ninth and fifth place. If they are female protagonists, then they will naturally have to be in charge of the world and be favored by the six palaces. Moreover, being able to marry into the palace as a female protagonist does help the development of the plot. In these aspects, it is very reasonable for the protagonist of this book to choose Liu Che again.

However, I don’t know if the author has a overall structure for the book, or whether he has had any idea of ​​the tone and ending of the book, or whether he has made up his mind to write a tragedy. You should know that there are many types of emperors. If it were replaced by Li Shimin, the late lord of the Southern Tang Dynasty, Kangxi, Qianlong and even Yang Guang, there would be room and possibility for development. However, if it was replaced by Liu Che, there would definitely be no possibility beyond tragedy. This is not just a question of whether you are happy with the new or not, but is determined by Liu Che's personality characteristics.

Emperor Wu of Han was famous in history as one of the most powerful emperors in history, but his life's achievements were only limited to "martial arts". Compared with Emperor Taizong of Tang, the two of them could also be said to be a genius of a generation. However, Emperor Taizong of Tang was like a dragon, not only had the ambition to traverse the nine heavens, but also had the ambition to tolerate the world, so he could dominate the four barbarians in the mess after the chaos and disaster, and was as the lord of the heavenly Khan, while also achieving the Zhenguan rule that shook the past and the present. Liu Che was a lone wolf, only with ambition to relax all directions, but without the mind to accommodate all rivers. Therefore, his unparalleled martial arts of "those who offend me will be punished even if they are far away" can only rely on Wenjing's hard work over the years and the decline of people's livelihood during his rule. Even his reduction of vassals failed to achieve political success and could not resort to force.

The reason for this result is that Liu Che's personality composition is meaningless. This is an emperor full of passion and desire, but he does not have a tolerant mind and a manly demeanor and sentiment. Li Shimin was able to start and end well with his civil and military officials in his life; and Liu Che killed as many as he did; Li Shimin could tolerate Wei Zheng, the counselor of the previous crown prince, repeatedly offended the dragon face, but Liu Che could not bear the Sima Qian who was loyal to his historical writings; Li Shimin could be in love with his Empress Changsun, but Liu Che could only achieve a model of a leniency in the king.

Whether this book is about romance or not, when considering feelings, you must consider Liu Che's personality. Passion and desire can only bring temporary honor and favor. For the feelings of an emperor, tolerance and demeanor are more important. Yes, Liu Che may be able to love the protagonist very much, but his personality does not have enough to support this love heart. Do you still remember what Liu Che said in this book, "Before I die, I will naturally remove the thorns on the scepter as the prince one by one." This sentence itself is not wrong. The mistake is that Liu Che's demeanor makes him unable to distinguish the scope of those "thorns". Therefore, he can only destroy them all, even if they are loved by him.

So, in my opinion, whether it is Empress Chen who is "a hiding a sweetheart in the golden house", Wei Zifu of the "Weiyang Myth", or Mrs. Li who is "beautiful in the whole country", their fate is already destined on the day they marry Liu Che, even if they are not at fault, even if they are still in decline. Because Liu Che is not in love with others, he no longer loves them, but he has never truly loved them from beginning to end, and he does not have the demeanor and mind to tolerate love. If the author really wants the protagonist to return to Liu Che, then I don't think there will be another ending beyond tragedy.

1st floor, [qkla] posted on 2006-10-181:03:54 | Delete post

That's right, that's right. Just look at the tragedy of Mrs. Gouyi. Chen Jiao's talent will only make Emperor Wu of Han like a thorn in his back. Therefore, please do not push the heroine to Emperor Wu of Han.

2nd Floor, [Shark Sci] posted on 2006-10-188:06:20|Delete the post

To be honest, the ending is sad or happy, and there is no way to know... But the heroine has no second choice except Liu Che. This is also the fate that the author has to face when he chooses this subject from the beginning... You can say that choosing Liu Che is a tragedy for Gillian. Then isn't Gillian's tragedy for Gillian? It will only bring greater and more tragedies. With Liu Che's personality, will others allow others to fall in love with his queen? That can only bring more tragedies... So, either advise the author to simply drop this article and re-y a novel about how Gillian kicked Emperor Wu of Han and become the female emperor by himself, or accept the fact that Gillian will eventually return to Liu Che, and try to see if he can use Gillian's own strength to transform this emperor of the ages so that he will not become so violent and less stubborn. Apart from these two paths, the author will not have a third path to go...

3rd Floor, [191919] published on 2006-10-189:03:39 | Delete posts | Add essence

With Liu Che's personality, would others allow others to fall in love with his queen? - Although this is a difficult problem, it is not a knot that cannot be solved, such as Dongfang Shuo and Nian Nujiao among the Emperors of the Han Dynasty.

4th floor, [Sharpshoot] posted on 2006-10-189:10:51 | Delete posts | Add essence

Is it a solution like Dongfang Shuo and Nian Nujiao? I don’t think so... Don’t say it’s an idiot, I believe that not many people will like to use such a solution to deal with the heroine in this book...

5th floor, [Shark Sci] posted on 2006-10-189:17:43 | Deleted post

Since she chose the theme of Jinwu hiding Jiao, Liu Che is a dead knot that cannot be avoided. Unless the heroine chooses to go far away (such as going to Europe) and leave China, she can avoid Liu Che... But if she leaves China and goes to Europe, why bother to let Gillian be the heroine who travels through time? Isn’t it better to travel through a European princess casually?

6th floor, [Flying Elephant] posted on 2006-10-1811:26:09 | Delete posts | Add essence

I support the poster's point of view, and I don't like Liu Che very much. I'm too selfish, but this book shouldn't go romance.

7th Floor, [191919] published on 2006-10-1814:30:16 | Delete posts | Add essence

In fact, many people think that the heroine cannot avoid Liu Che, and the truth may not be so. In this book, those who think that Liu Che cannot tolerate his queen marrying another man don’t think about it. If Liu Che really cares about this, why would he no longer pursue the protagonist’s departure? Things are impermanent, and he would never think that Chen Jiao is dead. If he survives, he will marry someone else sooner or later. As a matter of common sense, Chen Jiao will return to him and is really an anomaly among the abnormalities. From this we can see that Liu Che doesn’t care much about this. The reason is very simple. As mentioned above, Liu Che has never really loved the woman around him. Therefore, as long as Chen Jiao’s identity as a deposed queen can be solved, there is no problem that if Liu Che doesn’t choose Liu Che, he will leave the Central Plains.

To take a step back, even if Liu Che was determined, it would be nothing. The ending of Dongfang Shuo and Nian Nujiao's retirement in the Han Dynasty was definitely valid. They didn't need to go far, as long as it was not very eye-catching, it would be far away from Chang'an. Don't forget that it was not the Ming and Qing Dynasties, but the Han Dynasty. Although the imperial power was high, it was still far from the point of being in the unreachable realm.

8th floor, [qkla] posted on 2006-10-1816:45:15 | Delete posts | Add essence

First of all, the author said!!!So, why should the heroine choose a man, or choose to be a single-person tyrant? Is it okay?

‘Return to Liu Che and use A Jiao’s own strength to transform this emperor forever. ‘Didn’t the day dream? Women think that they can change men, they are stupid! Try to change to an emperor - and the famous Hanwu Emperor - they are crazy!

Liu Che is not an ordinary man, he is an emperor. He has no, and he cannot have the idea of ​​an ordinary person! An emperor without power is more terrible than death. Anyone or thing that threatens the emperor's authority, no matter who faces the emperor's authority, will never be able to use his hand. Don't forget that Liu Che once stole the entire family of the prince because of the witch's affairs, and that's his son and son! In Liu Che's heart, there is nothing comparable to the emperor's authority!!!

If you go back to Liu Che, Ah will either be killed by Liu Che or die of depression.

9th floor, [Sharpshoot] published on 2006-10-1816:54:44 | Delete posts | Add essence

Impressed, again, Chen Jiao has never had the method of avoiding Liu Che completely, but if that is the case, there is no need to travel through Gillian. Isn’t it easier to travel through other women? Since the author wants to use Gillian as the object of traveling through time, he must bear Gillian’s fate, that is, Liu Che. This is different from Xi’s not wanting Gillian to go with Liu Che in the end... By the way, I don’t think Gillian can live happily with Liu Che in the end, but that cannot be a reason for Gillian to not see Liu Che, that is, just escaping himself.

My destiny is not really brave enough to face it... By the way, no man likes his wife to cuckold himself, especially a super man like Emperor Wu of Han. Even if he doesn't care about Chen Jiao's life or death, he will never stop sending someone to find her. It's just that it's not written in the book (maybe Chen Jiao hides too well, and the people sent by Emperor Wu of Han find the wrong direction, and always think that she must have been hidden by her family... And don't use Liu Che from the Emperor of Han as an example. Not to mention the official history, something that cannot be considered unofficial history, can basically be ignored...

10th floor, [Sharpshoot] posted on 2006-10-1816:56:23 | Delete posts | Add essence

==Reply to 8th floor==>>

I'm so confused... As far as I know, I really want to see the love story between Gillian and Liu Che... In addition, I only said that this book will not be written into a pure romance novel, but this does not mean that there is no romance scene...

11th Floor, [Sharpshoot] posted on 2006-10-1816:58:45 | Delete posts | Add essence

By the way, I would like to add that this is the starting point, the novel review area, not a historical seminar... Since time traveling, it is the beginning of YY. Liu Che's personality does not need to be exactly the same as in history books. Some changes are normal... If there is no change and everything develops the same as historical destiny, is it still called time travel novel? Time traveling is for the purpose of changing...

12th Floor, [Sharpshoot] posted on 2006-10-1817:04:12 | Delete posts | Add essence

I don’t have to force the author to write according to my ideas. Whether Liu Che and Ah Jiao can be together in the end is probably not guaranteed now, let alone me, a small reader... But insisting on Chen Jiao not seeing Liu Che again, and even letting Liu Che never know about Ah Jiao’s existence is both ridiculous and meaningless; with Ah Jiao and without Liu Che, why should the title of this book be called Jinwu Zangjiao... The fate and connection between Ah Jiao and Liu Che cannot be cut off whether some people like or don’t like it, and even the author is powerless to change this fate, unless all the manuscripts written so far are scrapped, it is almost the same to write a new story from scratch...

13th Floor, [qkla] posted on 2006-10-1817:09:23 | Delete posts | Add essence

However, on the other hand, it is worth seeing that they do not expect them to know each other and maintain relationships purely in the form of cooperation.

Just looking at how Ah Ke deals with Liu Che, it will be very good. As long as Liu Che knows Ah Ke deeply, he can make the country stronger and his martial arts more powerful. With Liu Che's ambition and ambition, he will never be able to kill Ah Ke. Maybe he will still use a handsome man! Haha!

The premise is that a woman who can be used for him will have nothing to do.

14th Floor, [191919] published on 2006-10-1819:10:29 | Delete posts | Add essence

Since the author wants to use A Jiao as the object of time travel, he must bear A Jiao's fate, that is, Liu Che - what nonsense is, it is purely confusing the public and specious statement. What is fate? If the thing that originally belonged to him in history is fate and cannot be changed, then I also say that Lu Bu's fate is to be a slave of the three surnames, Guo Jia's fate is to die young, Yue Fei's fate is to be Fengboting, and Wu Sangui's fate is to be the number one traitor. If you don't write this fate, it is "But if that is the case, there is no need to travel through anyone, isn't it easier to travel through other people casually?", right? If this is true, no one should write time travel articles, and nothing can be changed after traveling through time travel. That is fate.

Taking such messy words as a reason is really a waste of tricks.

15th Floor, [191919] published on 2006-10-1819:13:29 | Delete posts | Add essence

In addition, the 13th floor was wrong, and it was a big mistake. Even if Chen Jiao could bring strength to the Han Dynasty, it would never change Liu Che's approach. On the contrary, this would only touch Liu Che's murderous intent more. He could not tolerate the existence of such a powerful woman.

16th Floor, [191919] published on 2006-10-1819:15:23 | Delete posts | Add essence

Since the author wants to use Gillian as the object of time travel, he must bear Gillian's fate, that is, Liu Che, - nothing more funny than this, seems to have completely forgotten that this is time travel, not a historical biography.

17th Floor, [Feng Yanshui] published on 2006-10-1821:34:57 | Delete posts | Add essence

What a sweat! It's all about whether Liu Che should be with Ah Jiao and whether it's a tragedy... In fact, there is no need to worry about this issue. Since it's not written as romance, then you can completely avoid this issue~~ Of course, the conflict between Ah Jiao and Liu Che is essential, and their meeting is inevitable, otherwise it would be a waste to dress as Ah Jiao, and it is also a pity to attract attention. Moreover, I think that the development of Ah Jiao and Liu Che after meeting is the climax of this book. There is no need for a child to have a relationship. Just fighting wits and courage is enough to make Gillian. With Liu Che's sex

Ge cannot let Gillian ignore it. From the perspective of the emperor, it is impossible to tolerate the existence of a subordinate who is "highly merited and overwhelmed" but is uncontrolled. Moreover, this person is Empress Chen, and she has her family behind her. Liu Che will definitely control her by any means. If she cannot kill her, she can imprison her. There are many stories here. From the perspective of a man, he is quite conceited. Even if he does not love her, his self-esteem does not allow Gillian to be with other men. The poster also said that he has no tolerance, and his personality and dignity as an emperor do not allow the Empress to marry another.

18th Floor, [Feng Yanshui] published on 2006-10-1821:39:27 | Delete posts | Add essence

Therefore, Gillian's future will inevitably be entangled with Liu Che, regardless of his enemies, friends, love and hate. As for the ending, it is not romance, it doesn't matter how happy the prince and princess live happily, nor does it matter how sad a true love flows through water. If you break out of the shackles of love, the world is infinitely broad~~~~~~~~

19th Floor, [Sharpshoot] posted on 2006-10-1821:39:39 | Delete posts | Add essence

Of course, you have to change the dormitory after traveling through time. It is the fate of Ah Jiao who died in Changmen Palace. However, there are also dormitories that cannot be changed, which is the fate intersection between her and Liu Che... Let's take Yue Fei and Wu Sangui you mentioned as a good example. If you write an article and travel through Yue Fei, but don't let him serve the country loyally, and you will die and become a martyr, that's a joke... Since you want to travel through this historical figure, you always have to change it, but you can't change it all. Otherwise, why do you have to travel through this historical figure...

20th floor, [Sharpshoot] published on 2006-10-1821:42:17 | Delete posts | Add essence

Forget it, in the latest chapter, the author has asked Liu Che and A Jiao to meet. The meaningless controversy about whether to arrange two meetings can be stopped... The rest is the question of how Liu Che and A Jiao develop. Whether it is a tragedy or a comedy, I have no objection, let it go. In short, as long as Liu Che doesn't say to A Jiao, "You go, I don't want to see you again" like this, I'm very satisfied...

21st Floor, [191919] published on 2006-10-1821:46:47 | Delete posts | Add essence

The one upstairs, why do you say that being with Liu Che is unchangeable? It’s not because you personally want to see it.

22nd Floor, [yiqingling99] posted on 2006-10-1822:08:12 | Delete posts | Add essence

I don't want to watch tragedy^...

23rd Floor, [no&no] posted on 2006-10-1822:49:58 | Delete posts | Add essence

As an emperor, Liu Che is okay, as a husband... Oh my God, a fire pit. Gillian just came out of it when he traveled through time, and now he seems to be about to fall in again, ahhhh

24th Floor, [Sharpshoot] posted on 2006-10-1823:27:45 | Delete posts | Add essence

==Reply to 21st Floor==>>

Because Liu Che is the emperor, because the two of them have met now, it is impossible to change together. Unless you think Liu Che can tolerate his wife running away from home again... there is no need to argue, anyway, the result has been released. Whether you don’t want to see it or I want to see it, the author has already written in this direction. Whether you accept it or not, it is your own business...

25th Floor, [Yunmen Ruoye] posted on 2006-10-193:15:21|Delete posts|Add to add essence

Go, stick to comedy, and of course, the heroine must match the strongest male protagonist! Of course, only Liu Che in that era!

26th Floor, [Flying Elephant] Posted on 2006-10-1911:02:35 | Delete posts | Add essence

Old Liu crawled away!

27th Floor, [Ximen Yan] posted on 2006-10-1911:08:24 | Delete posts | Add essence

There is a 10% chance that Liu Che and Gillian are together. Should Gillian become Liu Che? That is another matter.

But it is certain that the two of them secretly checked and balanced each other. I am looking forward to that boy Liu Che eating the turtle.

28th Floor, [Original * Ye] posted on 2006-10-1911:53:10 | Delete posts | Add essence

Another brother who is as optimistic as me is to the ending of Liu Che and Jiaojiao, haha

29th Floor, [Ximen Yan] posted on 2006-10-1912:36:52 | Delete post

I think there is no question of whether or not in love in this book. Whether Liu Che and Jiaojiao will have a beautiful ending of love does not matter. The author said that this book is not romance. Maybe Liu Che will fall in love with Ah Gillian, but this does not prevent him and Ah Gillian from calculating each other. There is too much helplessness in the family of the Imperial Family. Just fighting like this until you grow old is considered an alternative kind of love. Compared to that simple love, this kind of love does not make people yearn for, but it has its own unique beauty, at least it is thrilling. Love, hate, resentment, and helplessness will be magnified several times, which is more unforgettable than ordinary love.

It is estimated that this kind of love is the subject that people who want to encounter the least, but who write love novels want to challenge the most.

30th Floor, [191919] Posted on 2006-10-1913:00:25|Delete post

Because Liu Che is the emperor, because the two of them have met now, it is impossible to change together. There is nothing to say. Someone can say something nonsense. Is this Qiong Yao or Xi Juan? "Unless you think Liu Che can tolerate his wife running away from home again." Liu Che couldn't bear it, and the protagonist could accept it, and he had to accept it. If so, the book simply lets the protagonist go back to her Nagato Palace and add a sentence "All plot developments after this book will refer to real history, and the whole book will be over." How happy.

If that person said he was the author, I had nothing to say; if the author could agree with this robber logic, I had nothing to say.

31st Floor, [Sharpshoot] posted on 2006-10-1914:15:44 | Delete posts | Add essence

Sweat, the poster's head is really stubborn, with only front and back, no left and right... Of course, I am not the author, and I cannot speak on behalf of the author. But now that even Liu Che and A Jiao have met, do you still think that Liu Che might let A Jiao go? It seems that it is not me, Tai Qiong Yao or Xi Juan, but you... When did the emperor in ancient times become so graceful? Not to mention, it is the Emperor Wu of Han who has a bad temper that is comparable to Qin Shihuang... Or is it that someone, the Emperor of Han, has seen too much, and it is impossible to tell whether you are looking at the Emperor of Han now or the beauty in the golden house...

32nd Floor, [Sharpshoot] posted on 2006-10-1914:26:51 | Delete posts | Add essence

After Gillian and Liu Che met, the worst result was of course a repeat of history, staying in Nagamon Palace until he died of old age... But since he had traveled through time, this ending would definitely not appear in this book; as for Gillians would choose to be with Liu Che, I say it again, I did not tend to let Liu Che and Gillian be with him. In fact, if Liu Che's temper and personality in the book did not change at all, these two people would at most return to their old appearance in history, and there was no happiness at all. Then it was just Gillians who found another opportunity to escape from the palace (but this time it was much more difficult than the last time). Of course, it was quite difficult to transform Liu Che, but it was hard to go to Gillians and other men to stay together. Then Liu Che stood in the distance, smiled and waved his hand to bless him. Such an ending... If you want to say YY, there is really nothing more YY than this picture...

33rd Floor, [191919] published on 2006-10-1915:01:11 | Delete posts | Add essence

...Of course, it is quite difficult to transform Liu Che, but it is hard to be a couple of times. Gillian and other men stay together. Then Liu Che stood in the distance, smiled and waved his hand to bless him. This ending is like this... - It's so funny, I keep changing concepts. When did I say something about Liu Che that I want to give up and bless you with a smile, letting go does not mean being willing. Liu Che is a man who has no temperament but tolerant, but he has a very decisive side in his personality. It is absolutely possible to let go. In fact, what he did to those women in history is the same
To be continued...