401 RD-33 is good? Why is the MiG-29 the king of short legs
"Uncle driver, please rest assured. The United States and Western countries do not know these news at present." After Xie Kai said that, he saw that the other party's face was extremely difficult to see, and he said comfortingly. "Even in our country, there are very few people who know, including my father, who don't know this."
Xie Kai told the truth, but no one believed it.
In this era, there was no such thing as a tripod.
No one would have thought that in decades, anyone in the world who can access the Internet would know these things.
I used these to deceive the Soviets, but I didn't expect the effect to be so good.
"I just don't know if we can get the rd-33 engine. Of course, if your country is willing to sell technology, I think we are very happy." Xie Kai would not mention it before.
The Soviets were really willing to sell, and they couldn't afford 404.
As long as the Soviets sold it, they went back to digest it while improving it, and directly developed towards the rd-93 direction. Although the Russians were very unscrupulous, the performance of the rd-93 provided to the Fighter Fighter was even worse than the rd-33 used by the MiG-29, but it was much better than that of the domestic ones.
However, now it is impossible for the Russians to sell a complete set of engine technology, and they will not sell production lines.
Even they sold the Su-27 and Su-30 production lines, the most core components such as the engine, without technology. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russians have sold the engine to China for more than 20 years.
It was not until the Taihang used by J-10 that this situation was changed.
Even the J-20 was imported from the beginning, and finally it was not until the development of the turbofan-15 was successfully changed.
For these engines, the Russians even tied up the garbage fighter su-35 they produced!
Xie Kai understood more than anyone else that there was no great possibility of obtaining the full set of Soviet engine technology.
"The technology for sale is not within our consideration. As for the engine, the price is appropriate, so you can discuss it." Karetovsky calmed down and asked, "How many do you need?"
"Experience driver, the technology is really undiscussed?" Xie Jianguo also wanted technology.
The latter shook his head directly, without hesitation at all.
"Can the rd-33 engine be sold?" Xie Jianguo continued to ask.
For a moment, Karetovsky was stunned.
Damn!
The father and son said so much, isn’t it just for the rd-33 engine?
Xie Jianguo, this bastard, actually sang a double act with his son. Sure enough, he was the sinister and cunning person he used to be. Time has not changed him at all.
"Can the rd-33 engine be sold?" Xie Jianguo asked again, a smile appeared on his face. "We came with sincerity."
"One unit is 3 million US dollars." Karetovsky did not talk more nonsense and directly doubled the price he had originally set.
He wants the Chinese to pay the price.
"It's not so easy to grab money, right? Uncle Driver, if we don't look at your friendship with my father, we have to see the impact of this transaction on the improvement of the relationship between the two countries, right?" Xie Kai understood that the Soviets were so active that they were willing to provide engines in order to improve the relationship between the two sides.
The rd-33 engine has only 50 kN without thrust, and the maximum thrust is only 81.4 kN, and the maximum thrust of a single engine is only 8300 kg.
The Soviets were so embarrassed to ask for $3 million for such an engine.
Xie Kai mercilessly reported the performance data of the rd-33 engine accurately.
Even threats were raised.
Once it cannot be achieved, it is likely to affect the proficient plan to improve bilateral relations.
"If you don't have sincerity, there is no need to continue the negotiation. Since you are old friends, you can have dinner, drink and go home together." Xie Jianguo was also angry.
He doesn't know the specific performance parameters mentioned by Xie Kai, but it can be seen from the other party's expression and reaction.
Such an engine is only 3 million. The fighter jet of the Seventh Project must be equipped with such an engine. According to Xie Kai's performance indicators, one aircraft must be two of them no matter what.
Even, neither of them could make the take-off weight exceed 16,000 kg.
Carrying 7 tons of ammunition is nothing more than a fantasy.
He actually had the nerve to ask for $3 million per unit.
"This is one of the most advanced fighter engines in the world!"
"Don't we understand bullying?" Xie Jianguo said disdainfully, "Forget it, let's not talk. Let's have a meal together in the evening and go home tomorrow. It's more reliable for us to talk to Americans or French."
"No!" Karetovsky knew that Xie Jianguo was pretending and did this on purpose.
But he couldn't really let things happen.
What if they really go to talk to the United States or the French?
The Soviet Union knew about the fighter jet cooperation project between China and the United States.
It is a common technique for Chinese people to not put the eggs in the same basket.
"We cannot accept such a price. You must know that what we have developed is just a medium-sized air-optimized fighter, with each aircraft price not exceeding US$20 million, and your engine will account for one-third of the cost..." Xie Jianguo sighed.
Xie Kai widened his eyes.
When did my dad learn to fool people? Didn’t he always disdain to run the train?
Xie Kai felt that he was talking about running the train was not changed because of rebirth, but inherited from his father.
It's really good to blow.
"Uncle driver, your country is in contact with Persia to negotiate. A MiG-29 fighter jet is only priced at 23 million, right?" Xie Kai seemed to think that the other party was not shocked enough. "Even so, the Persians thought it was too expensive. According to our news, the cost of a basic MiG-29 model is only about 8 million US dollars. It is equipped with weapons and equipment, and some advanced avionics systems. The cost is only 15 million US dollars..."
Obviously, the price Xie Kai said is close to the facts.
MiG is far worse than the performance of the f-16.
The international price is usually only 20 to 30 million US dollars.
Only when you are so stupid can you quote the engine to $3 million per unit.
Even in the 1990s, the al-31 engine was exported to China, which was only more than two million to three million US dollars per unit, which was the price after inflation.
"Of course, if your country is willing to sell al-31, I think that if the price is a little smaller, we can cooperate happily." Xie Kai stepped back and advanced.
Even if the al-31 engine is bought, it doesn't seem to be of much use.
Unless you are on the J-10 project now.
Rong Fei is already working on it, but there should be no specific plan yet.
"Let's talk about rd-33. Isn't there a saying in China that asks for a lot of prices and pays it back when it is put into the ground?" Karetovsky said.
His hair made Xie Kai roll his eyes.
The aircraft engine is not a cabbage, and it is so expensive that it is so expensive to pay it back when it is landed.
However, he could understand the problems of the Soviets.
When the Japanese talked with the Soviets about Toshiba's five-axis machine tool, the Soviets only cut 20% of the price, which made the Japanese jumped up with joy.
According to the customs of the Soviets, they were all about price cuts, price cuts, and then price cuts.
The Japanese all knew that during the negotiations, 20% of the Soviets were a miracle, and it was already very good to be able to make a deal of 50%.
Because of this, Toshiba exported five-axis machining centers to the Soviets, each of which was quoting 5 million US dollars. Because the Japanese were too risky, they were ready to stop negotiations directly because the Soviets were too ruthless. As a result, the Soviets only killed 20% of the price.
This thing is too important to the huge Soviet nuclear submarine force.
"Each unit is $500,000, and we purchased 100 units in the first batch." Xie Kai bargained.
Xie Jianguo widened his eyes.
"Are you kidding? This is not a cabbage, it is the most advanced turbofan engine in the world!" Chekov jumped up.
They cut the price of others themselves and were eager to give money, so they even paid the price. Now they are facing other people's bargaining, so they naturally can't stand it when encountering such a situation.
"It was not what Uncle Ski said, asking for a price all over the place, paying back the money?" Xie Kai said calmly.
It was the Soviets' turn that were unhappy, "Even if you bargain, you can't bargain like this. You have no sincerity, just as your father said, let's have a meal together tonight and then go back to your own house..."
Xie Kai's price is not even enough for the cost.
Such an engine, worth 500,000 US dollars, was sold anywhere, and the Soviet Union itself wanted it.
"Mr. Karetovsky, if you really want to cooperate, I think you need to give a sincere offer. If you pull it off like this, it will be of no benefit to both parties." Xie Jianguo said calmly.
The Soviets' quotes were too high.
If one engine is to this level, one will lose one if it produces.
"And, the thrust of your engine cannot be used in our projects. If you want to achieve the design parameters, you must make design modifications and use dual engines... If you are willing to provide the al-31 vector engine, I think we can give each engine a price of 2.2 million US dollars." Xie Kai once again used engines that the Soviets could not sell.
At his psychological price, an rd-33 engine must not exceed $1.2 million.
If you use twin engines, two engines, and the entire JF-11 fighter jet, it will cost 2.4 million US dollars.
"The rd-33 not only has low thrust, but also has very high fuel consumption. I don't want to explain this, right?" Xie Kai felt that it is necessary to point out the shortcomings of this kind of engine.
Chekov laughed, "Young man, you can't make up excuses and reasons just to lower the price!"
"Yes, who said that our rd-33 engine consumes very high fuel? In addition to a little less thrust, it is very energy-efficient among the same type of fighter engines."
“There is no engine of the same type that is more fuel-efficient than the rd-33 engine.”
The other Soviets refuted Xie Kai's words in a verbal way.
"Is that right?" Xie Kai sneered, "Although the maximum range of the rd-33 MiG-29 is 2,100 kilometers, the combat radius seems to be less than 580 kilometers. I wonder if our news is wrong! Even, the MiG-29 can be called the short-legged king among the same type of fighter jets..."
Chapter completed!