"If we are unrealistic and do not stand on the basis of the existing and move forward steadily, and ultimately we cannot provide finished products when the military needs it, can we get the Air Force order?" Xie Kai was not willing to be outdone.

Looking at Mr. Ma, Mr. Ma was also embarrassed.

After the large press was completed, we had already discussed the further modification design of Y10. The performance technical indicators proposed at the beginning were models similar to those of the American C-141 military transport aircraft.

As a result, the performance indicators are now improved.

"Let's discuss this matter later." Zheng Yucheng saw that Su Xingguo and the others looked bad, so he stopped Xie Kai and signaled Ma Fengshan to continue the introduction.

Zheng Yucheng doesn't know much about technical data, but he can also compare the gap between these performance indicators and the performance indicators of the Y-Shenzhen aircraft.

"Ma Lao Ma, the project is ours, why are they led it?" After coming down, Xie Kai questioned Ma Fengshan a little unceremoniously, "Those technical indicators will not be achieved in the short term."

Ma Fengshan smiled bitterly, but shook his head and refused to speak.

Cheng Bushi eagerly explained to Xie Kai, "Qin Fei had the idea of ​​building a larger transport aircraft before. The maximum load of the Y-8 is only 20 tons, the range is not enough, the cargo hold behind is too small, and many equipment cannot be transported. Qin Fei Yun-8 cabin cooperates with air conditioning technology and Lockheed, and Lockheed's C-141 can achieve this data by improving certain technical indicators..."

"Is it another sequelae of the example of peace?" Xie Kai frowned.

Sun Daoqian and his team are planning to introduce the C-141 manufacturing technology to build domestic military transport aircraft?

The c-141 is a 150-ton aircraft with a maximum take-off weight of 155 tons and a maximum load capacity of about 40 tons.

The Il-76 and the C-141 have similar load capacity, but their performance is very different. Soviet transport aircraft inherited the usual style of Soviet aircraft - stupid and rough.

Although the maximum load of the Il-76 reaches 50 tons, the maximum load of the two models, Il-76-md-90a and Il-76-mf, can reach 60 tons, but the overall weight is 40 tons heavier than the c-141!

If the materials and engines at the back were not developed, more efforts would be made to achieve such transportation capabilities.

"In this case, we also think that such data is more reliable, and this is proven..."

"Argument is a big deal!" Xie Kai was immediately furious, "If the production line of C-141 is really introduced, what is the future of our Yun-Ten?"

Xie Kai was really upset.

Before Yunshi, McDonald snatched the venue and waited. Now he finally saw hope, and Lockheed is here again.

I have never heard of China going to introduce Lockheed's C-141 military transport aircraft during the peace model.

"Since they want to cooperate with the Americans, what does it have to do with us?" Zheng Yucheng was also a little angry.

Ma Fengshan and others didn't say anything.

Xie Kai sneered, "Didn't we ask us to pay? What a f*ck, C-141 has been discontinued in 1982, and now all the things they can't sell are coming to us!"

"We don't have much design experience on wide-body passenger planes." Ma Fengshan said softly. "We will gain more experience by introducing their technology and the next signal design of the Yun-10 passenger transport project. Airbus' development has left us aside..."

The attitude is very obvious, and the old man has the idea of ​​introducing technology.

No wonder he is worried, everyone is anxious.

Airbus was established at about the same time as Yunshen project, but Airbus has obtained many orders, and until now, it has not obtained an airworthiness license...

"Yun Ten, we do it ourselves! We need to do it slowly. What we need is not only technological breakthroughs, but also accumulation of this technology. Mr. Ma, what will happen if diplomatic relations change during the cooperation process with Lockheed?" Xie Kai was helpless. "Mr. Ma, you made a vow when you were young: study and master advanced aviation technology and design and manufacture China's own aircraft with your own hands! What I hope is that in China's airspace, we fly the aircraft we designed ourselves, even if the performance is poor! Only when we have a complete set of manufacturing technology can we not be choked."

Ma Fengshan has paid too much for China's large aircraft.

Even after dismounting from the horse in the 10th period, he ended up in depression.

That has to be said to be a major loss to China's aviation industry.

The dismount of Yunshen is largely due to the lack of engine matching.

Americans are simply unwilling to export complete sets of engines to China on a large scale. They also hope to export Chinese finished aircraft and turn China's aviation industry into a subordinate of their aviation industry.

The most obvious thing is Embraer's manufacturing industry.

Originally, Embraer's manufacturing industry has been relatively strong since its establishment in 1969, but it was precisely because of the intervention of airlines such as the United States that the company could only produce commercial jetliners with less than 120 seats...

Ma Fengshan was a little embarrassed. Cheng wanted to explain from time to time, but he finally stopped him.

Moqi never expected that Xie Kai's usual job was like this.

This had a great impact on her, and she felt that Xie Kai had also found the root cause of getting farther and farther away from her.

This is no longer the Xie Kai who drove a model tank to confront her and Wang Hao at the door of his home.

"This matter cannot be done. If we want to introduce it, there is no need for us to continue to invest in Yunshi." When Xie Kai and Zheng Yucheng settled down at Qin Fei's guesthouse, Zheng Yucheng said to Xie Kai seriously. "Otherwise, Yunshi will be affected in the end. Our limited funds will definitely not be used to introduce production technology. We need to improve the supporting industries!"

Xie Kai was not surprised that Zheng Yucheng had this understanding.

The old guy doesn’t like to buy technology from abroad, he prefers to do it himself.

Even if it is a little worse than internationally, at least it is not a questionable person.

"If it weren't for supporting facilities, why did we do this? We would use the investment on Yunshen to invest in any project, and we would have made a profit long ago, generating a lot of profits every year." Xie Kai said dissatisfied. "I don't know what they thought."

"As long as we don't agree, no one can do it." Zheng Yucheng nodded, "Li Mingshan will come later, let's make it clear to him directly. If the above meaning is to cooperate with Americans, we will not participate in this project."

"Chief Li is coming?" Xie Kai thought at first that Zheng Yucheng was fooling him.

It seems that the military attaches great importance to the main models of future military transport aircraft.

Although I don’t have money to equip now and improve the military’s long-range delivery capabilities, there is no pause in the exploration of future construction.

"What should they do if they don't agree?" Su Xingguo looked at Sun Daoqian, "We are simply unable to support the funds for technology introduction."

"If they follow their previous projects, although they are relatively safe, the cost is higher, and it may not necessarily meet the future use needs of the troops. Introduce the American technology and improve it with their help, after we master the digestion, we can challenge the manufacturing technology of larger tonnage transport aircraft..." Sun Daogan sighed, "If we want to quickly catch up with the international leading level, there is no way not to introduce it."

Su Xingguo sighed too.

Qin Fei is the largest transport aircraft design and development unit in China. Until now, he can't even get the air-tight cabin and air-conditioning technology of Y-8, and it still depends on the introduction.

Of course, Americans have a lot of help in design.

How many years will it take to develop like this?

With a 45,000-ton large press, the 65,000-ton large press will be built soon. In this way, key structural components with greater stress can be produced. At that time, it may be possible to gradually challenge 200-ton or even 300-ton large aircraft.

The military has no money?

The army is patient now?

I will never be free of money and will always be patient.

The better the economic construction is, the stronger the national defense needs to be. Don’t you prepare first?

More importantly, this way can we have large projects and more funds.

"Do you have any opinions on this project?" Li Mingshan came over. It was already past ten o'clock in the evening. After listening to the reports from Sun Daogan and others, he went to the guesthouse and first looked for Xie Kai and Zheng Yucheng.

The old and the young didn't even pick him up at the airport because of their dissatisfaction.

It’s not that Li Mingshan is stingy, but that he wants to know what the reasons they object.

"Chief, if we cooperate with the United States, we will not participate. They will do their own things, we will do our own things." Zheng Yucheng and Xie Kai have already discussed it.

"Isn't this a duplicate construction? A waste of funds that are not large?" Li Mingshan frowned and looked at Xie Kai.

He thought it was Xie Kai who disagreed.

"Chief, if we introduce a US military transport aircraft such as C-141, what is the future of our 10th flight?" Xie Kai asked Li Mingshan, without any tactfulness.

Mo Qi was beside him, trying to stop him, Li Mingshan was a lieutenant general!

In the end, I remembered my responsibilities, just followed Xie Kai, gave up her dreams, and became an assistant silently. I watched from the side, gradually accepting Xie Kai in this strange state that she was extremely uncomfortable with.

"Can you ensure that Yunshen can be provided when the troops need it?" Li Mingshan asked.

"No." Xie Kai replied calmly. "This is not guaranteed at all."

"National defense construction cannot stagnate, although there is no funding now." Li Mingshan said meaningfully, "Whether it is the training of airborne troops or the ability to deploy troops quickly, it needs to be built. The United States is building a 24-hour global delivery capacity, and we must build at least 12 hours of rapid delivery capacity at any location in the country..."

Strategic defense and strategic offense are completely different.

China's national defense construction lies in national defense.

But now, the delivery ability of the Yunba pair of troops is too small. It is not easy to send a brigade at any location in the country. It is just personnel, not weapons and equipment.

"That's not what we are considering. We are a military-industrial unit. We are considering improving domestic military-industrial manufacturing facilities to ensure that our country will not be stuck in a state of war because of the suspension of supply from abroad, and let our troops lose the war because of lack of sufficient equipment!" Zheng Yucheng said in a confrontation.
Chapter completed!