400 Not for AL-31. Let's talk about RD-33
The scene changed too quickly, and Xie Kai couldn't react a little.
The old driver was still driving just now and suddenly became serious.
"What is your attitude?" Xie Jianguo did not have the same thoughts as Xie Kai. He knew Karetovsky quite well.
Karetovsky was no longer as unserious as before, but looked at Xie Jianguo, "I really need it?"
"It's definitely not fake."
"Didn't the Americans provide you with advanced avionics systems and related engines?" The Soviets' questions were very realistic and sharp. "Even the whole of Europe is carrying out all-round military cooperation with you."
This style of painting has changed too quickly.
Are the Soviets who are legendary about trembling the whole world?
"That's our government's business and has nothing to do with us. I think you should be clear that we only represent our own units, not the country."
Xie Jianguo said seriously.
After saying that, without waiting for the other party to react, he went back to this side of the negotiating table and sat in his own position.
Both sides know that the negotiations have begun inadvertently.
"We can provide the engine, but it depends on what engine you need and how much it can be given." Karevtosky also sat in his position.
If it weren't for the irrelevant aspects of the two before, Xie Kai even felt that the other party was a serious person.
Soviets!
All the legends are so scammers.
"You should be clear about Americans willing to provide their engines. But we don't want to put all the eggs in the same basket. In addition, our unit calculates independently and establishes projects independently. Therefore, this time the engine introduction is just a cooperation between units." Xie Jianguo emphasized.
Sino-Soviet relations have not changed fundamentally.
The Soviet Union has not admitted their mistakes yet, and the Vietnamese have occupied the entire Cambodia and have not withdrawn their troops.
"I understand. We are just negotiating with you on behalf of the company." Karevtosky said with a smile, "I don't know which engine you need?"
"Uncle driver, I don't know which company you represent." Xie Kai asked curiously.
Are the Soviets kidding?
"We represent the company of whatever engine you need." Karevtosky continued to smile, "Are you satisfied with this situation?"
“…”
Xie Kai was very satisfied and surprised.
The question is, could the Soviets be so easy to talk to?
"I can really provide any engine?" Xie Kai asked.
I knew in my heart that this was impossible at all.
He wanted to see how shameless the old man in front of him, who was many times ugly than his father, was.
"Of course, as long as you want, you can discuss it. As for whether it can be provided, we cannot guarantee that it will require domestic approval." Kariftosky's words were completely unscathed.
It can be discussed, but it will never be sold.
Xie Kai curled his lips and remained silent.
Xie Jianguo wanted to speak, but saw Xie Kai signaling him not to worry. He was a little confused. The engine needed for the Super 7 project was very clear at the beginning?
"What kind of engine do you really need? Or tell us the data, we recommend it, how?" Karevtosky saw that the father and son did not speak, and looked extremely friendly.
The Soviets under his command were all sitting upright and not talking.
Xie Kai felt puzzled, why not talk to Karevtosky alone first.
"Aero engines with a thrust-weight ratio of more than 8 have a maximum thrust of more than 15,000kg..." Before Xie Kai finished speaking, he was interrupted by a burly Soviet man.
"This is impossible! China does not have the design capabilities of such fighter jets at all. It is impossible for the United States or other countries to provide it."
"Shut up, Chekov! No politeness at all." Karevtosky scolded his men, and then said to Xie Kai with a smile, "Young man, we really want to help you with your needs, but we don't have such engines in our country."
"There are all in the United States, but will the Soviet Union not?" Xie Kai looked contemptuous.
He kept saying that he could discuss anything he wanted, but when he heard about the demand, he didn't even want face.
The Soviets were not good people either.
"Although, in many ways, we have been abandoning Americans for decades, we pursue differently from them in terms of aircraft engines, so what we developed is definitely not the best, but the one that suits us the most." Karevtosky was obviously putting his own face on.
The Soviets were incomparable to Americans in some areas, but in most areas, they were always chasing Americans.
He was even dragged to death by the Americans' space war plan.
"Is that right?" Xie Kai said with a lip, "The United States has a very good relationship with us now."
"Then why don't you go to find Americans and look for us in such a big circle?" Chekov spoke again.
Maybe, this old man is bored.
"Because this project is just a project that we operate independently and has nothing to do with many domestic aviation units." Xie Kai said, "In addition, Americans are asking for too high prices, and one engine dares to offer a price of $3 million!"
"It's really a bit high. Sorry, we can't provide what you need..."
"Is it really impossible? The Su-27 heavy fighter jet developed by Sukhoi, your country's army has equipped hundreds of aircraft now, right?" Xie Kai said casually.
All the Soviet expressions became more exciting.
The existence of Su-27 is still confidential internationally. Although Western countries know it, they do not understand the specific performance at all.
However, this kind of news is just shocking. Karetovsky does not think that the Chinese have mastered more detailed content.
"That's a fighter jet on both sides, and the engine cannot meet your requirements."
"This is indeed the same. The Al-31 engine used by the Su-27 has a thrust of only 12,500 kilograms, which really cannot meet our needs. However, I heard that the Liurika Saturn company is developing a new generation of Al-41. That thing may meet our needs. Uncle Driver, why don't we talk about this?" Xie Kai's innocent smile almost made Karetovsky's heart jump out.
He hurriedly denied, "You must have been cheated. We don't have an al-31 engine at all, and the thrust is not that high."
It’s not that the Soviets don’t want face, but that it’s that it’s related to the fact that the most advanced fighter data has not been disclosed to the public.
Once you know the engine performance, you can infer the specific data and combat performance of the entire fighter based on these data. In this way, the confidentiality work of the Su-27 will be in vain.
Karetovsky quickly calmed down and guessed the source of the data of the Chinese.
"Isn't it?" Xie Kai was a little disappointed.
But I laughed in my heart.
Xie Jianguo watched from the side, and he didn't know if Xie Kai was squeezing.
"Definitely not."
"So, can the MiG-29 engine, rd-33, provide? Although this engine has poor performance, it barely meets our needs..." Xie Kai knew from the beginning that there was no possibility of getting the al-31 now.
The MiG-29 uses the rd-33 engine of Krimov, which is already a target.
It may have been a coincidence that Xie Kai was able to understand the al-31, but now he requested the rd-33 engine, which made the Soviets unable to sit still.
These are the engines of two of the most advanced fighter jets in the Soviet Union.
"Uncle Sky, we have great sincerity and hope to get help from your country. Although we do not represent the country, we are just our unit. Now your country's senior management is seeking to improve their relationship with our country. I think this is a very good start."
"How did you know?" Karetovsky asked Xie Jianguo awkwardly.
Xie Jianguo knows nothing.
When we were in the Soviet Union, the Soviets did not start this plan, and neither fighter jets nor engines began to develop.
"This is not a very hidden thing. In the 1960s, the Americans launched the FX plan. In order to deal with it, your country also launched the PFI plan for advanced tactical fighters. In the end, this plan evolved into two, the Su-27 of the heavy fighter, used to deal with the American F-15; the MiG-29 of the light fighter, used to compete with the American F-16..." Xie Kai said calmly.
Both the Soviets and the base representatives were extremely shocked.
The Soviets did not know why Xie Kai was so clear about their intelligence plan and began to suspect that China's intelligence capabilities in the Soviet Union exceeded the KGB's imagination.
They didn't know how much information the Chinese had, and what was happening in front of them was completely beyond their imagination.
The engines prepared to be provided to China are not any of these two types.
The base representative was a source of information that shocked Xie Kai.
Could it be that they are just a foil, and Xie Kai is the main force in the negotiations?
Isn't it just a mess?
"At the time when the Jacques-45 light fighter and the Jacques-47 heavy fighter of the Yakovlev Design Bureau were eliminated. Isn't it just to let the Soviet Air Force use only two fighters like the United States in the 1980s? The two fighter jets use unified main equipment and weapons..." Xie Kai knew that the Soviets were guessing how much information they had.
Just pick up some important things.
Whether it is the Su-27 or the MiG-29, it is extremely familiar to the Chinese.
China introduced heavy fighter jets from the Soviet Union, Su-27 and Su-30, and even introduced the production lines of these two fighter jets! Finally, in China, these two fighter jets were used to improve the design and research into the more advanced J-11 and J-16.
How is Xie Kai not clear?
The only one is MiG, who is still familiar with the Chinese. The J-7 is the preventive model of the MiG-21. It was the main fighter of the Chinese Air Force for many years!
The MiG-29 is almost the last advanced fighter of the Migoyang Design Bureau, and is also a thing to compare with the domestic J-10 and the US F-16.
Chapter completed!