1296 Actually trying to fool us with RD-93
Xie Kai looked at the old driver's uncle and smiled even more. Sure enough, the Soviets couldn't stand it anymore.
He said, "It's true that it's time to talk about the serious business. In terms of friendship, there is a lot of time to deepen. First of all, I think the price issue of the rd-33 engine is the main point of disagreement in our cooperation at present..."
The main reason for the price of both sides is that there is a lot of controversy in terms of engines.
After the Soviet Union refused to provide engines to China, China had been communicating and negotiating with the Soviet Union. Later, the Soviet Union reported a price of US$3 million per unit, which China could not bear at all.
At the beginning, the Soviets either blackmailed China, which could not produce turbofan engines, or they used high prices to make China give up introducing them.
For the Super-7a, which costs only US$12 million, an engine costs US$3 million, which is almost unacceptable.
With the improvement of the performance of avionics systems and the increase of other radar systems, the manufacturing cost of the Super-7a fighter has now reached nearly US$7 million.
The engine must be really priced at US$3 million per unit proposed by the Soviets. Even if cooperation is reached, China will only work for the Soviets and have almost no profit.
Xie Kai naturally wouldn't do such a thing.
Oleg looked at the other Chinese people and said nothing. A young man looked at Xie Kai unhappily, "The price of the engine has been quoted before, and each unit is 3 million US dollars, which is already very cheap for this price."
Xie Kai rolled his eyes directly and wanted to punch the top leader of the Military Industry Commission.
Unfortunately, he couldn't do it. This old guy was definitely not a good person, especially he had never been willing to cooperate with China, and even banned the export of the 404 engine. This was all done by him.
Xie Kai said, "Mr. Chairman, if you are willing to make the lead in the al-31 engine, I think it will be easy for us to reach a cooperation. Of course, for medium-thrust engines like the rd-33, you must have a price of $3 million, and the cooperation between the two parties cannot be carried out. This is without any sincerity."
As Xie Kai said, it is really an al-31. Although the price of $3 million will be much higher these days, the engine is indeed worth so much money.
Alexey Philov was anxious when he heard Xie Kai say that the cooperation could not continue.
If you really can't continue to talk, then there is nothing wrong with the Migoyang system. All other cooperation is based on engine cooperation.
For Mikoyan systems, the engine is the biggest source of profit!
Although Alexei is only the head of the MiG fighter aircraft manufacturer, he now represents the entire Migoyang!
This is not the first time that MiG-29 has participated in the Paris Air Show, and Migoyan's senior executives have hardly come.
Unlike Su-27, who showed his face at the Paris Air Show for the first time, the senior executives, except for the chief engineer and chief designer Simonov did not arrive, and many people came.
Alexey hurriedly said, "Thank you, the rd-33 engine has excellent performance, and with inflation, the price will definitely not be settled according to the original. Of course, the price can be negotiated, and the engine has not been negotiated, so other cooperation can be negotiated."
Alexey's words looked at their eagerness.
Oleg glared at him fiercely, and even Misavagevsky felt that this guy was too anxious and looked at him with a gloomy face.
Isn’t this explicitly telling the Chinese that they are eager for cooperation?
Since this has been said, Misavćvsky, as the Minister of Aviation, will not be distorted.
He was interested in Chinese personnel and said, "Since you think the price is high, how much do you think is appropriate? According to the previous US$1.15 million per unit, it is absolutely impossible. When these engines were provided, it was to maintain the friendship between the two sides and express our sincerity."
Xie Kai curled his lips. It was obvious that you were not at the operating rate and needed orders to support the huge factory.
There was no nonsense, and he directly quoted a price: "1.3 million."
Wang Chengfeng originally planned to follow Xie Kai to learn how to negotiate with foreigners.
The equipment sold by 404 is high, but the things you buy are very cheap.
As the head of AVIC, he urgently needs such ability.
In the process of introducing international aviation technology, Chinese teams with poor technical foundations have always been blackmailed by foreign countries at high prices.
Many times, there is no way to continue negotiations. Foreign quotations are not allowed at all. Either accept the other party’s high prices or give up cooperation.
But Wang Chengfeng did not expect that Xie Kai's negotiations with the Soviets were like bargaining in a vegetable market.
What he didn't even understand was that the Soviets were the same.
He was shocked by not giving any introduction to technical performance and their domestic related policies.
“$2.7 million!”
Oleg looked at Xie Kai, "How many engines do you need? The quantity also affects the price."
Xie Kai naturally knew that quantity has a lot to do with the price, so he spoke calmly, "Mr. Chairman, we need a lot of quantity. The specific amount depends on whether the price is sincere. If the price is really not sincere, we don't need any one of them!"
Xie Kai's answer was so angry that Oleg almost ran away!
The Soviet Union is not sincere yet?
Those who took the initiative to invite the Chinese delegation to negotiate with them, unexpectedly, several Chinese officials did not say anything and asked a young man to make trouble.
Seeing that Oleg was about to get angry, Savagevsky gently pulled the corner of his clothes and said to Xie Kai: "Thank you, this price is already very sincere. Now all kinds of prices are rising continuously, and the US dollar is depreciating..."
Bai Yanjun and Ge Minglang sat there, listening to Xie Kai's negotiations with the Soviets, and did not interrupt, as if the negotiations had nothing to do with them.
Wang Chengfeng, Zhao Zheng and others looked at the 404 people strangely, but they didn't understand what they were doing.
Just like buying vegetables in the vegetable market, bargaining back and forth.
This is something Wang Chengfeng and the others had never encountered in international negotiations before.
Xie Kai looked at Misavagevsky with a look of contempt, "Uncle Ski, you and my father are classmates. Do we still need the friendship between us? This price cannot be bargained."
At the beginning, the Soviets had a considerable profit of $1.15 million per unit.
The same type of engine in the international market is only 10,000 US dollars. The direct price of the Soviets doubled the international cheaper quotation.
I really can't see any sincerity in cooperation.
Such a situation cannot be discussed.
Alexey saw that the price gap between the two sides was too big, so if he continued, he had to break down the talk.
He didn't want to see such a situation happening, so he spoke to Xie Kai, "Thank you, what we are now providing is the latest engine from the Klimov Design Bureau, upgraded from the rd-33, and the thrust and fuel consumption have been greatly improved..."
When Xie Kai heard this, he interrupted him directly and asked with a playful look on his face, "rd-93?"
Before the Soviets could answer, Xie Kai said angrily: "Gentlemen! Please don't treat us as idiots. What's going on with the rd-93 engine? Everyone understands that it's completely the rd-33 engine. There is no difference in performance parameters. The intermediate thrust is 50kn, and the maximum afterburner thrust is still 81.4kn!"
Xie Kai's words shocked the Soviets.
The Chinese know the parameters of the rd-93 engine.
This is a plan they came up with before, in order to make the Chinese feel that it is legitimate to raise prices.
Who revealed it to the Chinese?
Oleg looked at Misavagevsky with anger on his face.
Misaviczwsky also had a gloomy face. Where did Xie Kai know the parameters?
Didn't he take the blame?
The Soviets did not expect that Xie Kai knew more than just the performance parameters of the rd-93 engine.
Xie Kai continued: "The so-called rd-93 engine is just to change the accessory receiver above the rd-33 engine to the lower part of the engine. The entire engine structure has not been modified much. Regardless of thrust or fuel consumption, there is no change. If it is rd-93, there is really no need to discuss it..."
Zhao Zheng looked surprised and finally realized that Xie Kai was so powerful.
He asked Bai Yanjun next to him in a low voice, "How did this guy know the performance parameters and results of the latest Soviet engine? What did your intelligence system get? "
It is much easier to understand performance parameters and structure conditions.
Bai Yanjun shook his head directly and said with a wry smile, "We don't know how many of this kid's things were made. But it may be his own channel."
Only think so.
Xie Kai has been in the Soviet Union for many years.
Even Xie Kai himself was shocked when he saw the Soviet expressions.
He really didn't expect that the Soviet Union had created the rd-93 engine now.
Didn’t this engine be specially improved by Krimov, a Russian company, to design the JF-11 fighter jet?
The rd-93 engine is only used in the world by the JF-11 fighter jets, and no fighter in the Soviet Union uses this engine.
The Super-7 project has come out, and it is definitely impossible for the Fifth-long to appear.
And the Soviets actually made it...
The entire engine only changes the upper accessory receiver to the lower part of the engine. In order to apply the change of the accessory receiver position, the position of the driven bevel teeth in the transmission device has changed, and the performance has not been improved.
Seeing Oleg staring at him with a suspicion, Mishavicovsky shook his head with a wry smile, and told the Chairman of the Military Industry Commission that he had never had contact with Xie Kai at all.
As the chairman of the Soviet Aviation Industry Department, he could not sell the interests of the Soviet Union, nor could he tell the Chinese about the situation of the rd-93 engine.
This was originally a design to extort Chinese people’s money.
He can't explain at this moment.
If I had known it, I wouldn't have said that my father was a classmate to relieve the embarrassment.
"Thank you, if you really want to reach a cooperation, you are really sincere and the engine price must be."
Og didn't say nonsense, and told Xie Kai directly: "It must be based on your number, no matter how many, it is less than 2.5 million US dollars, and there is really no need to continue talking about it."
Xie Kai looked at this arrogant old guy and despised them more and more.
Chapter completed!