"So, Minister Meng also disagrees with Professor Gao's view?"

Xie Wenchun sensitively heard the subtext in Meng Fanze's words. The name Gao Lei has always been tied to the theory of international cooperation. Meng Fanze said that he was not down-to-earth and said that he could not engage in industry according to his opinions. Obviously, it is not only Gao Lei, but the theory of international cooperation he represents. Xie Wenchun, as the leader of the Planning Commission, is a person who is specifically responsible for formulating national industrial policies, so he naturally pays more attention to this issue.

Meng Fanze was not afraid to express his opinions. He said: "I have talked to many comrades on the industrial front that Gao Lei proposed that international cooperation theory was held back. They have reservations about this theory. How can a country like this big, not engage in its own equipment manufacturing industry? Gao Lei proposed to be outside and if someone is stuck in his neck?"

"However, the country is now also talking about cooperation with the West. Peace is the mainstream of the future. Some comrades believe that it is completely unnecessary to worry about being stuck in the situation." Xie Wenchun said with a smile. His smile reflected his thoughts, which means he did not agree with this statement.

Meng Fanze said: "World peace is the goal we pursue, but it is not something we want to pursue, it will definitely be achieved. The Chairman said that seeking peace through struggle will exist, and seeking peace through compromise will perish. If we give up our industrial foundation and rely on foreigners to give us industrial equipment, then there will be no real peace in this world unless we are willing to be a colony for foreign countries."

"This statement is a bit out of place now." Xie Wenchun reminded with a smile.

Meng Fanze also smiled and said, "I am just an old man, so it's normal for me to be out of place. Let's do this. I'll find a young man for you to listen to his opinions. How about it?"

"That's great." Xie Wenchun said.

Feng Xiaochen was called over, Meng Fanze introduced him and Xie Wenchun to each other. Feng Xiaochen quickly nodded to Xie Wenchun, and Xie Wenchun waved his hand and said, "No need to be polite. Minister Meng said you have some insights on the issue of international cooperation. Can you please give me some advice?"

Feng Xiaochen said: "Minister Meng and Director Xie are so proud of me. I have no opinions. I just said a few nonsense just now. Please don't mind Director Xie."

Meng Fanze said: "Xiao Feng, Director Xie asked you to say, just say, you said, you said, you were very good at speaking when you were with me last time. Our style is to speak out and not do anything in a single word."

"Uh... I'm really a little frightened." Feng Xiaochen pretended to be shy, but everyone could clearly see that he was not timid in his heart. It was impossible for a person who was really timid in front of his leader to behave like this.

Xie Wenchun did not take any turns. He briefly retelled what he had just said to Meng Fanze, and then said: "Comrade Xiao Feng, some people think that the view of international struggle is a bit outdated. China should be completely integrated into the international community. What do you think about this issue?"

"What's this question?" Feng Xiaochen thought for a while and said with a smile: "For the time being, the viewpoint of international struggle is indeed a bit outdated."

Xie Wenchun was a little amused and said, "What is this? What does it mean to see for the time being?"

Feng Xiaochen said: "There are no eternal friends or eternal enemies in the world. After the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and the United States, the relationship between China and the entire West has improved comprehensively. It is currently in the honeymoon period. From this perspective, the concept of international struggle is indeed a bit outdated, and we should have some concepts of keeping pace with the times."

"The honeymoon period is interesting." Xie Wenchun smiled and said, "So, why do you say it's temporary?"

Feng Xiaochen said: "After all, there are ideological contradictions between China and the West. The West currently hopes that China can change its ideology. If China cannot change itself in the way of the West, then sooner or later, the West will re-explore the big stick to sanctions against China. In fact, even today, Batumi's restrictions on China have not been lifted, and China still cannot obtain high-tech equipment from the West, which shows that Western countries have not forgotten to beware of China for a moment."

"Well, there is a certain reason." Xie Wenchun said, and he immediately raised a more sharp question and asked: "So, according to your opinion, if China completely abandons the current social system, will the West no longer be wary of us?"

"Of course not!" Feng Xiaochen replied without hesitation, "No matter whether China gives up the current system or not, the West cannot cooperate with us sincerely. The contradiction between China and the West is on the surface a dispute of institutions, but in essence, a dispute of interests."

Hearing Feng Xiaochen's words, Xie Wenchun turned his head to look at Meng Fanze, and saw a gratifying smile on the old man's face. Xie Wenchun also smiled slightly and turned to Feng Xiaochen and said, "Your words are getting more and more interesting. Let's talk about it, why is the conflict between us and the West essentially a dispute over interests?"

"There are only interests and no ideology between countries." Feng Xiaochen said, "During World War II, the United States and the Soviet Union also joined forces to jointly deal with the threat of fascism. After the war, although the international situation was a dispute between the East and the West, there were also struggles within Western countries. Western European countries established the European community in order to fight against the hegemony of the United States. As the protector of the United States, Japan gradually eroded the US market economically, and the contradictions between them were gradually accumulating.

A few months ago, the square agreement signed by the five Western countries at the New York Plaza Hotel was essentially intended to suppress Japan's trade advantages. To put it simply, the United States used its hegemony to forcefully cut Japanese wool, while Japan could only swallow its anger and accept this unreasonable arrangement.

Western countries will still fight each other for economic interests, let alone their relationship with China? The purpose of Western countries is to make China a market for their product sales and a supply of cheap labor. A strong and competitive China is something they do not want to see. Therefore, if China is not strong, it will be already. Once it becomes stronger, it will inevitably lead to a ban from the West."

"It's true that I have insights."

After listening to Feng Xiaochen's grand statement, Xie Wenchun nodded and praised. These views that Feng Xiaochen said are not particularly novel for officials of Xie Wenchun's level. Although some officials speak with the words of the world, who are really struggling in the practical department are not human-like? Xie Wenchun sighed that with Feng Xiaochen's age, it would be very difficult to have such insights. Nowadays, many people in China believe in the world's harmony from the bottom of their hearts, or the so-called universal value. For example, Gao Lei is one of them. Feng Xiaochen's understanding seems a bit alternative.

Of course he didn't know that Feng Xiaochen had such an understanding was not because he was smarter than others, but because he had experience in later generations. China in the 1980s did fantasize about world harmony, but the subsequent series of events made the Chinese understand that no country in this world is reliable, and that China can only rely on China itself. What Feng Xiaochen said, in the early 21st century, was basically common sense.

"I heard that you are studying for a postgraduate degree in the Academy of Social Sciences. Professor Gao is also a teacher in the Academy of Social Sciences. Are you denied the teacher's point of view?"

After sighing, Xie Wenchun joked with a smile.

Feng Xiaochen opened his eyes wide and said with a cute look on his face: "I did not deny Teacher Gao's point of view. I think Teacher Gao's point of view makes sense. Our coastal open cities can completely make big incoming and outgoing and accumulating funds under the guidance of Teacher Gao's theory. We want to develop the equipment manufacturing industry, and funds are a big problem. In the past, we were closed to the country and refused to accept international industrial transfer, which made the benefits cheaper the Four Little Dragons. Now we should change our concepts. It is not embarrassing to do both sides of the road. Being able to make money is the king."

Xie Wenchun certainly knew that Feng Xiaochen was changing his concepts. He said: "But Professor Gao's opinion is that we should give up the equipment manufacturing industry and do our best to carry out the export processing industry. This is different from your opinion."

Feng Xiaochen sighed hypocritically and said, "Oh, what's the solution? There are too many Chinese people. If we do all export processing industries, we are afraid that developed countries will not be able to afford it. Take TVs for example. There are almost 200 TV factories in China. If we start production at full capacity, the annual output will be enough for the whole world to use for 10 years. There are so many people, just export processing industries will definitely not work. Some people must do something else, such as our equipment manufacturing industry."

"Haha, this reason is good." Xie Wenchun laughed, attracting Gao Lei, who was with Luo Xiangfei over there and was also turning his eyes.

"Director Xie, what are you talking about? Why are you so happy?" Gao Lei walked over and asked with a smile. He was chatting with Luo Xiangfei just now, but he was really not prone to talk and could no longer talk, so he was anxious to find an excuse to get out.

Xie Wenchun pointed at Feng Xiaochen with his finger and said, "Professor Gao, I was listening to your high-level soccer student Feng's ideas just now. He also highly praised the theory of international cooperation you proposed. Some of the views are even better than those of the best."

"Is that?" A cold light flashed in Gao Lei's eyes. He looked at Feng Xiaochen and asked, "Why, you are also from the Academy of Social Sciences. Whose student are you?"
Chapter completed!